By Alexandra Bruce
Forbidden Knowledge TV
Ari Ben-Menashe joined RT‘s Afshin Rattansi, as he did 5 years ago, before RT’s account was de-platformed by YouTube to comment about Israel’s use of Epstein blackmail.
Ben-Menashe begins by saying that the Epstein blackmail of US politicians wasn’t only about sex. It was also about the money they were receiving. He asks, “Where was the money coming from?”
He doesn’t answer but he goes on to say that there are people in this world who have been financially propped-up by the State of Israel and turned into billionaires, including, of course Jeffrey Epstein and his associate, Les Wexner. He notes that the State of Israel financed Rupert Murdoch‘s first newspaper in Australia and that they control the messaging throughout Murdoch’s vast media empire in the English-speaking world. All of Murdoch’s outlets support Israel’s siege of Gaza, because the current Israeli regime does not want this war to end.
Ben-Menashe says that it was Israel who forced Rupert Murdoch to publish the ridiculous and phony birthday card that Trump was supposed to have sent to Jeffrey Epstein with the drawing of the naked woman a few weeks ago, forcing Murdoch to betray his friend, for which Trump is now suing him for defamation.
Ben-Menashe says that Trump should stop the genocide in Gaza at any price and that he should send in peacekeeping troops before the Egyptians or the Saudis do first. He says Trump needs to stop being afraid of whatever additional smear campaigns the Israelis may level at him.
He tells Rattansi, “What are they going to say about him? How many girls did he abuse? How many billions of dollars he took? Let them say whatever they say. He should stop the genocide.”
So, let’s say Donald Trump was tricked into having sex with a woman who was under the age of 18 and that it was caught on video – or what I think is more likely, that it comes out that Donald Trump received billions of dollars from Israel at some point. What effect would such reports have on the various negotiations that he has going on?
It’s already widely-known that Trump hired Rothschild Inc in 1990 to help him with financial restructuring to prevent foreclosure on his Taj Mahal casino. Trump did not technically receive billions of dollars from the Rothschilds but the restructuring of his debt did amount to that. The Rothschild banking family, of course was vital in founding the State of Israel.
It seems that Trump’s support for the Gulf Cooperation Council and the deals he recently made with several Middle Eastern countries may have already mitigated potential blowback from that.
What could the Israeli-Epstein blackmail say that would tank the stock market and end all hope of stopping the Globalist technocratic plan to remove all human and civil rights, collapse civilization and depopulate humanity by 95%, leaving survivors in an utterly feudal, trans-subhuman state?
As for Israel, Ben-Menashe says they’re committing what he calls hara kiri in the court of public opinion around the world. They’ve already lost the narrative war and eventually, they will be stopped.
He asks, “Who are they going to bomb? Is that going to help them? What is going to help them? And there are plenty of countries that can bomb Tel Aviv back. I can think of an example right off my head, Pakistan.”
What Ben-Menashe might not fully appreciate is that the behavior of the EU/NATO and Israel, toward Russia and Gaza, respectively indicate that they are gunning for nuclear war and the attendant 95% population reduction of the planet.
The Globalist Deep State that pervades all governments is comprised of desperados who very openly plan to end humanity with the Biodigital Convergence within the next decade. The Transhuman Agenda being implemented by the 6G rollout is the ultimate war against humanity and we need to get our heads in the game.
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TRANSCRIPT
Cold Open Montage
Ari Ben-Menashe: I believe that the American government is sort of trapped by the Israelis. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them.
Afshin Rattansi: And what do you think of Dershowitz’s denial?
Ben-Menashe: Hold on a second. I want to give you an example. Bill Clinton, President Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak met Arafat in the ’90s and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein.
Ehud Barak was also a friend of Epstein, the Prime Minister of Israel at the time. But he was being blackmailed by the Israeli right-wing, as well and they stopped an agreement with Arafat. They were about to reach an agreement there for a Two-State Solution. But that was stopped, because of Epstein.
Afshin Rattansi:They were both being blackmailed by Epstein. And so Jeffrey Epstein, in a way, presumably being used as a tool by the Israelis, helped to change the course of history in this region I’m speaking to you from.
Ben-Menashe: Of course, a change, I think. And they trapped a number of US Presidents by using Jeffrey Epstein. And it wasn’t only about sex. It was also the money issue. Where was the money coming from?
But everything is stuck over Gaza. And I believe the Israelis have the American government captive, due to what happened with Epstein or what happened in the past with Epstein.
Rupert Murdoch’s newspaper, The Wall Street Journal, put out that card or something, a birthday card Trump sent to Epstein. Where do you think they got it from?
And again, I don’t think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide. I think it’s the Israelis holding him back.
Afshin Rattansi: Now Given how much maverick power he has to create peace in South North Korea, in Palestine, in all these different places, one might ask, why do they need Jeffrey Epstein? Why can’t they just assassinate Donald Trump? I know there’s a lot of speculation.
There has been, that John F Kennedy was assassinated with Israeli intelligence help. Why do they need things like Jeffrey Epstein?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Somebody tried to assassinate him [Trump], didn’t they? Before…the election. It doesn’t always work. I’m not sure what’s going to happen, because, you know, people look at these pictures of starving children all over the world. And there’s a lot of pressure on these politicians to say “Enough!” To tell them, “Enough is enough. I’m not sure how far this will go.
And I think the Israelis are committing hara kiri on themselves by doing this, because eventually, they will be stopped. [AB note: I couldn’t agree more].
Afshin Rattansi: Now, that is where the GCC countries [Gulf Cooperation Council] arguably can leverage financial power to replace AIPAC lobbying power, as it were.
Do you believe that Trump can begin to leverage some of that Arab world, Global South, BRICS world power to be able to end the genocide?
Ari Ben-Menashe: No, I believe that he can end the genocide, right now if he just stops being scared of the Israelis. What are they going to say about him? How many girls did he abuse? How many billions of dollars he took? Let them say whatever they say. He should stop the genocide. Let them do whatever they want to do. Morality should take over. I encourage him to stop the genocide, at any price.
Afshin Rattansi: Robert Maxwell was an incredibly intelligent man. He was trying to leverage things against the Israeli State, perhaps financial deals for his company. Look what happened to him. Can’t the Israelis, every time tell Trump, “You try and mess with us.” Someone as clever – and people can look up Robert Maxwell’s heroic wartime record – they can still kill you.
Ari Ben-Menashe: I can’t comment about that. But I hope Donald Trump will have the interest of the United States and the Middle East at heart and do the right thing.
(Show Open – Full Interview)
Afshin Rattansi: I’m Afshin Rattansi. Welcome back to Going Underground, broadcasting all around the world from the UAE on the fifth anniversary of the suspected Israeli attack on Beirut’s port, which killed or wounded more than 5,000 in Lebanon.
It’s also the deadline for billionaire NATO media oligarch, Rupert Murdoch to respond to Donald Trump’s $10 billion defamation suit against his Wall Street Journal over a Jeffrey Epstein birthday album.
This, as Trump’s poll ratings collapse, with his MAGA base turning away in disgust at what it sees as an elite cover-up, let alone Trump’s Forever Wars.
Meanwhile, Epstein’s convicted sex crime accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell wants to testify in Congress after meeting with Trump’s former personal lawyer and now Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche.
Epstein, of course, had connections to Israeli spying, leading some to link the Epstein scandal to the UK-US-EU armed Israeli genocide across Palestine.
Joining me again is Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli intelligence officer cited by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Sy Hersch in the ‘Samson Option’ as “A key source on Israel’s clandestine operations”. For years, he has alleged that Jeffrey Epstein was a blackmail asset working on behalf of Israeli intelligence.
Ari now runs the lobbying firm, Dickens & Madsen. He joins me now from Montreal, in Canada.
Ari, good to see you after so long. I would have asked you about the Beirut port explosion, who you thought was responsible for that. But since the pictures of the genocide in Gaza are saddening people all over the world, last week Epstein’s lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, came on this show, emeritus professor of law at Harvard, and said, “No, Trump’s behavior as regards Gaza, as regards bombing Iran, as regards bombing Yemen, all his behavior can’t be explained by any blackmail tapes of Trump.”
Do you believe in any way that the genocide in Gaza is being prolonged by the late Jeffrey Epstein?
Ari Ben-Menashe: I certainly believe that the Israelis are making sure that the Americans do not stop them from the killing in Gaza.
I believe that the American government is sort of trapped by the Israelis. Jeffrey Epstein is one of their tools to trap them.
Afshin Rattansi: And what do you think of Dershowitz’s denial?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Hold on a second. I want to give you an example. Bill Clinton, President Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, met Arafat in the ’90s, and there was no deal. The reason was Epstein. They were being blackmailed by Epstein.
Ehud Barak was also a friend of Epstein, the Prime Minister of Israel, at the time. But he was being blackmailed by the Israeli right-wing, as well.
And they stopped an agreement with Arafat. They were about to reach an agreement, there for a two-state solution, but that was stopped because of Epstein. They were both being blackmailed by Epstein.
Afshin Rattansi: Ehud Barak has been on this show. He walked off this show. People have been looking up, and that was not because I asked him about any blackmail alleged evidence against him.
Before anyone thinks that you’re dissembling, in any way, just remind people of how, when you accurately exposed Reagan sending weapons to Iran, via Israel, how The Jerusalem Post was used to say you had “No Israeli intelligence links”. And then – they were obviously trying to discredit you – and then, they had to retract it. So you have a history of saying things that turned out to be true.
Ari Ben-Menashe: I hope so. I think so. Yeah, a lot of things. See, when I spoke about the October Surprise, everybody thought I’m a nut and crazy, until recently when The New York Times came along and said, “Yes, it happened.” Now everybody believes me.
Afshin Rattansi: And so, Jeffrey Epstein, in a way, presumably being used as a tool by the Israelis, helped to change the course of history in this region I’m speaking to you from.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Of course, a change, I think. And they trapped a number of US Presidents by using Jeffrey Epstein. And it wasn’t only about sex. It was also the money issue. Where was the money coming from?
Afshin Rattansi: Yeah, it’s the financial links.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Financial issues, different personalities receiving money from a group of billionaire Jews that worked with the Israeli government in the United States.
Afshin Rattansi: The American journalist, Michael Wolff has tapes of interviews that he isn’t releasing, he says, because no one wants to pay him for them, with Epstein, where Epstein details his friendship with Donald Trump.
Is it your understanding that we can kind of explain Trump’s odd behavior, as regards to Epstein because there is something on him? I mean, he had no reason to mention Virginia Giuffre Roberts, when he was on Air Force One the other day. He’s never done so before.
Suddenly, he’s talking about issues regarding Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Ari Ben-Menashe: OK. I believe Donald Trump really wants to bring peace to the Middle East. He really does. Going back all the way to his first term as President, he was going to do a deal with Iran. And he was going to go travel to Iran and give a speech to the Majlis in Iran. After he gets reelected in 2020, that did not happen. But he was intent on doing a peace deal with the Iranians and he’s intent on bringing Syria into the Abraham Accords.
But everything is stuck over Gaza and I believe the Israelis have the American government captive, due to what happened, what happens with Epstein or what happened in the past with Epstein.
Afshin Rattansi: But everything Trump is saying is calibrated, presumably. I mean, those two meetings between his former personal lawyer, now Deputy Attorney General, with Ghislaine Maxwell, presumably to prevent her from testifying in Congress anything against Trump.
I mean, I don’t know how far the Israelis want to silence Trump. Trump acknowledges real starvation afflicting Gaza and promises more aid. This week, for the first time, Trump actually said something against Israel.
This after six months or more, where he seemed to do every single thing the Israeli government wanted him to do, like some kind of slave. Will Trump be punished for acknowledging starvation?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Can I change the subject a little bit? Rupert Murdoch’s newspaper, Wall Street Journal, put out that card or something, birthday card Trump sent to Epstein. Where do you think they got it from?
And I have another comment to make: Rupert Murdoch’s first newspaper in Australia was bought for him by the Israelis. In the early 1990s, Mr Netanyahu was a regular visitor to Australia. I happened to be there at that time. I know what I’m talking about, OK?
And it was public that the Israelis funded his first newspaper in Australia. So I suppose, right now he’s paying back the Israelis or paying back Netanyahu – against his own friend, Trump.
Afshin Rattansi: And Fox News is nonstop supporting the genocide in Gaza. Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Yeah, that’s right. And again, I don’t think Trump wants to continue this war or the genocide. I think it’s the Israelis holding him back.
Afshin Rattansi: So do you think Trump’s strategy of sending his personal lawyer to meet privately with Ghislaine Maxwell will yield results and that he can, his former personal lawyer, now the Deputy Attorney General, and he can beat Israel?
Ari Ben-Menashe: OK. See, I have no idea what’s going to happen in the future, but Israel used to have the moral high ground. They lost it, right now. So there’s pressure everywhere to stop the war in Gaza. And now, I got to say something. This morning, I was on the phone with my older sister, who lives in Israel. You know what she tells me? She tells me, “Oh, it’s all false. We’re helping the Palestinians. This is all a huge anti-Semitic plot worldwide!”
This is what the Israelis are feeding their own people. She lives in Israel, by the way, the sister, my sister. And this is what she was saying. She’s an intelligent woman. She’s a university-graduated person. And she is saying that: “It’s a anti-Semitic worldwide plot, to blame the Israelis for hunger in Gaza,” and so on and so forth.
This is what the Israeli government is feeding its own people. And they really believe it! Just had this happened this morning, I was speaking to her on the phone. I just called her to see how she is. She’s my sister.
Afshin Rattansi: Just as Rupert Murdoch in Canada, where you’re speaking to me from, and the United States and in NATO countries, in Britain, he owns the Times. I don’t think the Sunday Times, if it had been owned by Rupert Murdoch at the time, would have printed information about Israel’s nuclear weapons program revealed by Mordecai Venunu, if Murdoch had owned it.
In the same way, doesn’t that power of Rupert Murdoch exceed that of Donald Trump when it comes to damaging Trump’s plans for peace in the Middle East?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Of course it does. And I believe, I believe that there will be more coming out through Rupert Murdoch. I believe there will be more coming out. And if I were Trump, I would really push ahead with a peace deal in Gaza and warn the Israelis to stop.
And if he has to, he has to send troops to Gaza. I would, if I were him, to stop the fighting or to make sure the Egyptians and the Saudis don’t send troops to Gaza.
Afshin Rattansi: Ari, in part one, you were talking about Trump’s desire for peace being sabotaged by media oligarch Rupert Murdoch and Israel. Do you believe then that Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, was lying when she contradicted her, when she said, “There were no Epstein files,” contradicting herself? Or is the Trump administration generally confused about what you know about why Jeffrey Epstein was involved in everything, from peace plans in West Asia to the Gaza genocide?
Ari Ben-Menashe: I believe they’re confused and they don’t really know what the Israelis have. And I have a question that I always ask: Why did Epstein come back in 2019 to the United States, when he knew he was in trouble? And Donald Trump was President of the United States, by the way, at the time.
OK? I think the, I call them “the administration”, is very confused about what Jeffrey Epstein did. And they don’t know which direction to go to.
I’m not defending them. I’m just saying that they just don’t know where to turn. It’s a difficult position to be in for the President of the United States. I’m not saying he’s a good guy or a bad guy. I’m just saying that he’s in a very difficult position.
Afshin Rattansi: Given the power of one person, Donald Trump, in the sense that, I mean, he may say he feels powerless in the face of so much institutional power in the United States. But given how much maverick power he has to create peace in South North Korea, in Palestine, in all these different places, one might ask, why do they need Jeffrey Epstein? Why can’t they just assassinate Donald Trump?
I know there’s a lot of speculation. There has been that John F. Kennedy was assassinated with Israeli intelligence help. Why do they need things like Jeffrey Epstein?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Somebody tried to assassinate him, didn’t they? Before he became, before the election. It doesn’t always work.
Afshin Rattansi: And before anyone thinks and wonders why you haven’t been, just to remind us about what happened to you in 2012 in Montreal. Because you have spoken out over the years to people like Seymour Hersh, your friend of Robert Parry of Consortium News, the late, great Robert Parry. And given the world information about our world and the 20th century, what happened to you then in 2012?
Ari Ben-Menashe: There was an attack on my house in Montreal, Canada. And I was about, I got out of it by a miracle. They bombed my house in Canada, in Montreal in 2012, two days before my birthday.
Afshin Rattansi: What about the British angle to this, in effect, conspiracy that Israel is perpetrating, that is killing, in effect, helping to kill, in effect, tens of thousands of people in Gaza?
MI6 has been apparently aiding the genocide, spy flights from Cyprus, helping Israel. Epstein, I understand he did do work in the arms trade with Sir Douglas Lease. Apart from that, we don’t really know of any connections between Epstein and MI6 over the years.
I know that there are the famous pictures of the now-British ambassador and former Tony Blair best friend, Peter Mandelson.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Well, the British get most of their military technology currently from the Israelis. This is not such a well-known fact.
The Israelis are giants in military technology, and the British are one of their clients. And it would be very hard for the British to cut off relations with Israel.
Afshin Rattansi: Yes, Sir Keir Starmer made a bizarre statement about recognition of Palestine.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Maybe, maybe, maybe in September.
Afshin Rattansi: Unless there’s a ceasefire. I mean, it’s a sort of incentivizing Hamas not to have a ceasefire. What about the –
Ari Ben-Menashe: By the way, an Israeli company called Elbit works in London and does a lot of the British military technology. It’s all Israeli technology transferred to Britain. You can look Elbit up.
Afshin Rattansi: There are direct action campaigns against Elbit units in Britain where the security forces in clamping down on freedom of speech, famously. You believe that lobbying has a total power over Western European countries, even though they are starting to talk a little bit about what is happening to Gaza?
How far can these politicians go without the Israelis saying “No further”, than being able to talk about forced starvation?
Ari Ben-Menashe: I’m not sure what’s going to happen because, you know, people look at these pictures of starving children all over the world. And there is a lot of pressure on these politicians to say “Enough,” to tell them, “Enough is enough.” I’m not sure how far this will go.
And I think the Israelis are committing hara kiri on themselves by doing this because eventually they will be stopped.
Afshin Rattansi: Now, that is where the GCC countries arguably can leverage financial power to replace AIPAC lobbying power, as it were. Do you believe that Trump can begin to leverage some of that Arab world, Global South, BRICS world power, to be able to end the genocide?
Ari Ben-Menashe: No, I believe that he can end the genocide right now, if he just stops being scared of the Israelis. What are they going to say about him? How many girls did he abuse? How many billions of dollars he took? Let them say whatever they say.
He should stop the genocide. Let them do whatever they want to do. Morality should take over.
I encourage him to stop the genocide, at any price.
Afshin Rattansi: Perhaps he’s trying to get out of Ghislaine Maxwell, the Democrat blackmail material? I mean, one should remember that the de facto tortured women who who who got Ghislaine Maxwell in jail, I mean, they’re not going to be happy when she gets apparently a pardon, a commutation.
I mean, Trump didn’t even need to say, “Oh, yeah, I could pardon her.” Do you think Trump is trying to leverage something here and do what you’re saying to try and beat the –
Ari Ben-Menashe: I hope he is! I hope he is trying to leverage this and just get it over with and bring peace to the Middle East. This includes Gaza, includes Iran and other places, too. I really hope so.
And I think he’s trying. I don’t know how successful he is, how professional they are. I have no idea, but I think he’s trying. Yes.
Afshin Rattansi: Well, we know he’s failed when he starts bombing Iran again with US military warplanes.
Ari Ben-Menashe: Depending where he bombs. Depending what he bombs.
Afshin Rattansi: You knew Robert Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, the guy who stole. Yeah, he stole money from The Daily Mirror pension fund in London, of course, in Britain. And last time you were on the show, you explained how he introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell.
Robert Maxwell was an incredibly intelligent man. He was trying to leverage things against the Israeli state, perhaps financial deals for his company. Look what happened to him.
Can’t the Israelis, every time tell Trump, “You try and mess with us?” Someone as clever – and people can look up Robert Maxwell’s heroic wartime record – “They can they can still kill you.”
Ari Ben-Menashe: I can’t comment about that. But but I hope Donald Trump will have the interest of the United States and the Middle East at heart and do the right thing.
Afshin Rattansi: I mean, you helped expose you helped expose the nuclear weapons of Israel. How far is Israel going to go, given, as you say, they’re committing hara kiri in the court of public opinion around the world? How desperate is Israel and would it use its nuclear weapons from Dimona as it loses against the entire world, against humanity, right now?
Ari Ben-Menashe: Who are they going to bomb?
Afshin Rattansi: Well, there are plenty of initial countries they can bomb.
Ari Ben-Menashe: I keep on saying, “Who are they going to bomb?” Is that going to help them? What is going to help them? And there are plenty of countries that can bomb Tel Aviv back. I can think of an example right off my head, Pakistan.
And I think the Israelis are committing hara kiri on themselves or by doing this, because eventually they will be stopped.
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