RFK Jr’s changed view of Trump: From pegging him as ‘a narcissist’ to ‘one of the most empathetic people that I’ve met’

In a wide-ranging interview Monday, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. communicated once again his vast knowledge of the pharmaceutical industry, vaccines, and government health agencies. However, it was his candor about how his view of President Donald Trump has evolved that created what many would find to be the most compelling segment. 

The X account of The Vigilant Fox broke down Kennedy’s extensive 90-minute June 30 interview on The Tucker Carlson Show.

When asked about the president, Kennedy first provided a behind-the-scenes view of how Trump chose people for his Cabinet.

“[O]ne of the things with President Trump is that he really knows how to pick talent, and … I’m not talking about me … but the other people … when you sit in those Cabinet meetings, and every one of those people is incredibly erudite and just fluid in the way that they speak, and very, very comfortable,” the secretary shared, adding that when he was on the transition team he watched Trump’s method for choosing his cabinet members.

“[F]or every one of the positions that he picked, he wanted to see three clips of them performing on TV,” Kennedy described. “You know, he’s very conscious of the way these people are going to be out selling his program to the public, and that he needs people who are, you know, good salespeople, not only good administrators, but that they can communicate a message to the public.”

The secretary affirmed that, since Trump was elected to a second term in November, “there’s a new feeling in America … we’re back on the upswing again … and all around the world, people see that too.”

But, then, Kennedy began his candid view of what has “surprised” him about Trump.

“I, you know, bought into this fact that he was this one dimensional character, that he was kind of a bombastic narcissist, and all this, and … part of it is hearing it all the time on TV, but also, you know, the way that he conducts himself sometimes validates those – if you have that narrative – you can find things from what he does that validate that narrative,” he said. “But what I’ve been surprised [by] in getting to know him is what a kind of deep, multi-dimensional and thoughtful character he is.”

Again recalling his prior view of Trump, Kennedy acknowledged he had believed that “[Trump] doesn’t read and, you know, he’s not interested in anything.”

“He’s immensely curious, inquisitive, and immensely knowledgeable,” Kennedy said. “He’s encyclopedic in certain areas that you wouldn’t expect — like music, and, you know, he gets very emotional about music, … and he knows the whole story behind every song — [Carlson added, ‘Pavarotti and James Brown’]. He cries when he hears Pavarotti.”

“And, then, in terms of sports … he’s an encyclopedia,” Kennedy continued. “He knows everything. And then, you know, on Wall Street, he knows how everybody made their money and the stories. And he’s, you know, an incredible raconteur about telling all these stories.”

The secretary continued, however, that “the most surprising thing is – because I had him pegged as a narcissist, when narcissists are incapable of empathy, and he’s one of the most empathetic people that I’ve met.”

“You notice, whenever he talks about the Ukraine war, he always talks about the casualties on both sides – every time he talks about it, and he does that in every theater. He talks about how human beings are affected by it.”

“You know, whether it’s vaccines or Medicaid or Medicare, he’s always thinking about how this impacts the little guy,” Kennedy continued. “And, you know, the Democrats have him pegged as a guy who’s sort of sitting, you know, in the Cabinet meeting talking about ‘how can we make billionaires richer.’ He’s the opposite of that. He’s a genuine populist.”

At the start of Kennedy’s interview with Carlson, he discussed government health agency corruption, including a suppressed 1999 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study that found a 1,135% increase in autism risk from the hepatitis B vaccine.

Shifting then to the pressure parents are often up against to vaccinate their children, the secretary offered that “there’s a published article out there now that says 50% of revenues to most pediatricians come from vaccines.” 

“And that’s why your pediatrician, if you say I want to go slow on the vaccines… will throw you out of his practice because you’re now jeopardizing that bonus structure,” he stated.

Kennedy also explained that the CDC funded a study, conducted from 2007 through 2010, that compared an updated vaccine injury-reporting system to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

Researchers found that VAERS had failed to report over 99% of vaccine injuries, yet that system is still being used today.

Related to that, Kennedy said, is the reality that most doctors don’t know what to look for in terms of vaccine injuries.

“They’ve never been taught that at medical school,” he said. “There’s no course on vaccine injury in medical school — in any medical school in this country.”

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